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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

This should not be a shock; Britain has been cashing in on wars forever and will do anything to protect its warmaking industries. It's all about the money, always.

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

Of course, but a key divergence between the British and the Americans is the former's leaders seem to actually believe they're defending Western civilisation from barbarians at the gate. The US only sees in terms of investment opportunities.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

The British idea of defending Western civilization means defending "their" privileged civilization. If they have an honest belief in that regard, it's because they have always believed, based on their "breeding" and material wealth, that they were born to rule.

I'm reading an excellent book by Barbara Tuchman titled "The Proud Tower," which describes the state of the world between 1890 and 1914. Her description of English society, in particular, is revealing. At least at that time, they really did believe they were born to rule the world.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

I kind of dislike the generalised use of the word 'British' in all this - what is being referred to of course is the 'British Government' or 'British Establishment', not 'the country' or 'the people' - historically, however, since 1066 that ruling establishment has, ironically, not been British! Their attitude towards the 'people of Britain' proves this consistently - they are the equivalent of 'racist' towards the actual common people of Britain. This is disguised of course by their incessant nationalist propaganda and 'glorious British empire' crap - it was never the people's empire, after all, it was the establishment's empire. When a British child learns 'history' for example in school, it's actually 'the establishment's history' not 'the people's history'.

If the British people actually understood this cultural/social history the revolution would be a simple affair. The current British Establishment may not be racially/ethnically Norman anymore but their attitude - that's to say their 'social group identity' - is absolutely the same. Both on domestic (towards the population) and foreign (towards 'others') policy. The Normans were instrumental in the Crusades, for example. Plus ca change, as they say...

When we talk about the 'state' and 'the people' and the 'globalist cabal' (or whatever term one wishes to use) the most important aid to understanding really is just 'social group/cultural identity' theory. It's just a small social group desiring power who see every other group in the world (including the domestic ones) as 'the other'.

So it's not just the British people who need to understand this, it's the world's people.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

Thank ye kindly, sire. & fer the link. I agree with everything ye says.

Indeede I may well take up yer invite fer a healthie dose o' spirit. or ale, at ye Whalebone Inn.

I greatlee approve o' ye levellers. & diggers too.

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Billy Masterson's avatar

@Joe Van Steenbergen

I can't quite figure out how in HELL so many people in 3rd world have a good opinion of Brits after 400+ years of their national policy towards vulnerable countries being cold bloodedly sociopathic/kleptocratic/divide, conquer, rule LOOT & rule. Is it the cultured voices of BBC presenters?

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

Propaganda.

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Billy Masterson's avatar

@Protect & Survive

"If the Victorian British Empire had acquired nuclear weapons, the whole world would now be divided among their gentries huge estates staffed by local populations deliberately bred to have the mental attributes of a Labrador retriever."

-Gary Brecher/John Dolan

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I am still looking for the War Nerd article with exact quote, in the meantime...

https://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-tibet-five-to-one-against/

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Protect & Survive's avatar

Ha, Ha - a lovely quote and Oh so true! Thank you Billy.

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Protect & Survive's avatar

Thank you, Billy, for an excellent read and it sums up my contempt for the Brits, not only the Victorians because they passed on their hatred of anything non-white as Cecil Rhodes exemplifies. https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/boers-and-blood-no-ww3-dispossession?r=hhrlz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

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Feral Finster's avatar

None of this is any real secret.

Britain has a vested interest in stirring up trouble around the world, so that the United States can get stuck in and GB can show its American Master that it is the loyalest little poodle, standing shoulder to shoulder with its American Master all stirring and resolute.

Those of you who are familiar with Looney Tunes will recall the little yappy dog that follows Spike the Bulldog around, praising him to the skies, getting slapped around by Spike, and getting Spike into fights. That is britain and America's other european catamites.

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Protect & Survive's avatar

Are you sure the USA is in control? IMHO they are too young as a nation, like a teenager, and their behaviour mimics that of an adolescent. Britain has been at wargames for thousands of years to control their hidden empire, even today. Transactional Analysis tells me all I need to know. GB in parent mode, USA in child mode - clear as day.

The BBC told some of the truth in the 1980s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzfNEF0e-y4

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Gogs's avatar

Catamites - very apt. The Tory government's Scottish secretary Alister Jack, is talking of more nukes in Scotland - no coincidence surely, and a major reason many of us want independence and to be out of this wretched union. A Labour government will only double down on this madness. The absolute trashing of the "peace dividend" post-USSR and golden opportunities for a more peaceful and cooperative world in the 90s makes my blood boil.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Europeans *like* being slaves. I've met whipped dogs with more self-respect than the average european political leader.

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Protect & Survive's avatar

Yes, agreed but it was the policy of "Full Spectrum Dominance" in 1997, following the 1991 USSR failure, that spawned the horrors of the 21st century. The Brits have been behind most of the 285 conflicts in the last 80 years: https://ucdp.uu.se/exploratory

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BearInMind's avatar

The Bucha story never quite added up to a genocide; too many things didn’t make sense.

First of all, I clearly remember Ukrainian reports on the day the Russians pulled out of Bucha—there was no mention of mass murders or bodies lying on the streets. Locals interviewed also made no mention of war crimes. The Ukrainian national police announced a “cleansing operation” the following day, and only then did we learn about the masses of dead people.

Second, it was apparent from the beginning that 36 days of fighting between Russian forces and Ukrainians, who shelled Bucha along with ongoing street fighting, would inevitably result in many civilian casualties. That’s just the nature of war.

Thirdly, accusations that Russia tortured and murdered hundreds of people, then agreed to pull out of Bucha as a result of peace negotiations (a gesture of goodwill?), but didn’t bother covering up the crime, are puzzling. Bodies of people with hands tied behind their backs and white bands on their arms, known to be sympathetic to Russia, were found. During their occupation of Bucha, the Russian army distributed humanitarian aid to the local population, likely including those wearing white bands. Why Russian soldiers would execute them has never been explained, and the media skipped these inconvenient questions.

Finally, despite an overwhelming satellite reconnaissance and drone presence over the Kiev region, the collective West was not able to provide any photographic evidence of war crimes while the Russians were still in Bucha (36 days). This is deeply suspicious.

I’m not suggesting that there were no cases of war crimes. I’m simply stating that claims of genocide are greatly exaggerated and are voiced by the same parties who defend Israel’s actions in Palestine.

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

There's also the fact that Ukraine has openly - braggingly - committed murderous purges of Russian "collaborators" in all territory they've recaptured, to the extent of making videos celebrating it. If they didn't do the same in Bucha, it's the *one* place they didn't do so.

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BearInMind's avatar

That's right, I totally forgot to mention it. Ukrainians "celebrating" purges of collaborators is the right way to describe it.

Plus the videos of Russian prisoners of war being shot in their knees emerged just days before Bucha and was already making a lot of noise on social media.

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Demianovich's avatar

Wars are planned by the establishment, organised by arms dealers, cheered on by a sycophantic media, carried out by fools and paid for by the lives of innocent people. And the sleepy masses cheer them on.

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Billy Masterson's avatar

@Demianovich

You left out "paid for by the taxes of". Always follow the money.

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Connie Nash's avatar

First take is again a sense that we’re all going ferociously backwards in time if rather than free democracies of any kind at all we keep using Britain Russia U.S. actually did said this or that that led or leads to this or that as if our wildly under achieving lying hiding leaders are ones continually pretty much making wars happen over and over again!?!? So where can there be any actual profess on peace Justice truth life for any of us anywhere?

Can’t we all at least start using ONLY names of our actual war-mongering lying corrupt leaders rather than blame ALL citizens of each nation as culprit? !?!?!

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Melvyn Punymeyer's avatar

Britain's probably the most dangerous actor on the world stage at the moment. And contra others claiming it wants to be subservient to America, I don't see it that way at all. Britain's had a bug up its ass about Russia for 300 years; America hasn't. In 2008 Prince Andrew boasted (via Wikileaks) that Britain was fully back in the Great Game "and this time we will win." They're using America to get what they want. They don't want to be a poodle. They don't want to be subservient.

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Theresa Barzee's avatar

Each marvel of an article blows past that definition. I want these printed out & framed. All over my tiny treehouse's entry. Then I'd have a lot less to explain to people. What we must do, is read these, share them. And make our path out of hell-share, to a place where we are all Palestinians, all advocates.

Until we are as kind, resilient, rescorceful, brilliant, & live in service of courage & love, we are dooming our very beings to grotesque deaths. Corrupting our lives with things so ugly, shame covers all who witness these atrocious doings...

Keep showing us how to learn anew. Kit. May Palestinians, Yemenis, Practicing creative Muslims are oftener now to be our guides. And may we honor indigenous lives everywhere. Thank you, Kit, for your beautifully important writing. It does what writing is supposed to do. Soul search in the shadow bands, to pull us into the sunshine of deep decency.

May we follow & fund your work for years & soon or...now.

Palestine will be free.

Peace.-T

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KC Erasmus's avatar

It wasn't only Britain, the US was also involved, however Britain had the fat, “everyday bad hair day” Muppet, idealy suited to carrying out the task of peace sabotage.

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Lux Aeterna's avatar

Bucha was the Ukrainian "White helmets" moment, both evidentially produced and directed by the UK gov.

Psy-ops has always been the Brits' weapon of choice. There is a quote, I believe by Gandhi, that if you see 2 fish arguing at the bottom of the sea, you should know that Britain has been there.

Which reminded me - what happened to "novichok poisoned" Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, remember them?

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AG's avatar

This being Jan. 2025 - have we had new info on Bucha since your text?

One of my earliest very unpleasant discussions was in April 2022 over this issue.

My position since has not changed. Which is why I am keenly interested. After all that painful encounter marked the end of free discussions...

The UN report from August 2023 I believe corroborated the anonymous US official´s statement. We of course had since the Czech AFU mercenary who admitted that his colleagues committed murders in Bucha. But that officially recorded statement was ignored in the West.

Douglas Macgregor for some reason brought up Bucha just recently on "Deep Dive". He spoke about foreign mercenaries who allegedly were the perpetrators. But that was merely quoting third hand info. (Although not implausible.)

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Tell's avatar

Bucha is absurd. Many of the dead were wearing WHITE ARMBANDS, showing they worked WITH the Russians, to clear the streets. Just the kind of people the fanatics on Ukraine's side would kill when taking back the town. Some dead shown in pictures were clearly killed just the same day or the day before at most. The Bucha mayor made a selfie video after the Russians had left, smiling in the streets, with not a single word about any massacre or civilian dead. BBC made a documentary seven months later and could produce no evidence even after all that time, so they filled it with 3D graphs and an ominous voice instead.

BBC had a single video of "Russians firing on civilians," a taxi driver - but later in the same documentary you see that the interviewed taxi driver was part of an armed resistance group, i.e. a legitimate target in war. In fact, if resistance groups don't wear armbands when attacking, they're breaking the laws of war and can be shot when captured, without a trial. Incredibly, after being fired on the taxi driver was treated by Russian medics farther away, as they thought he was an innocent civilian who had been wounded through other circumstances.

The Bucha "massacre" is that kind of thing thrown in at the last moment before an election, referendum, justice appointment, or here before an agreement. Like how the Democrats brought out the psychologist Blasey Ford (whose father and brother had worked for the FBI, and her private office was in the FBI building as she did work for them) in the last moment claiming Judge Kavanaugh had assaulted her thirty years earlier - at a party with only a handful of participants, who she couldn't name, in a house she couldn't describe, and her one friend supposedly also at that party said it didn't happen, and she claimed to call her mother from outside the house when cellphones weren't even used yet, and her mother won't confirm it. Or Judge Moore being accused of the same, right before Alabama's special election - with impossible details about location (between a dumpster and the restaurant - but the dumpster is right by the wall and people pass by that parking lot all the time), the car (saying he locked the doors from the driver's seat which can't be done in that kind of car), and a letter supposedly written by Moore but clearly written by the woman's female lawyer (her handwriting in red, and a particular judge title that he didn't have yet at that time, decades ago), with no one at that diner saying any meetings between the two took place. Or Trump accusers right before the 2016 election, with impossible stories about groping on a plane (arm rests on that kind of plane can't be folded up like the woman said, as they go all the way down to the floor) and a concert (which didn't exist).

Strangely, a week before the Brexit referendum a mentally ill man shot a female Labour politician and her aide, shouting about the referendum. Giving the Left ammunition to use against the Brexit Party just when they needed it, and the BP stopped their campaigning for several days, with the media talking only about this. What a coincidence, as nothing like that has happened before or after.

You know something will be used by the Democrats again right before the U.S. election this year.

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Scott's avatar

Over a million Ukranians have died because the West didn’t want peace. They wanted a proxy war to grind down Russia.

Now Russia’s army is 15% larger than when the war started and they have developed techniques for electronic and drone warfare that no western nation can match.

Our foreign policy establishment is tragically incompetent. By constantly choosing war, they have isolated us internationally and driven Russia and China to form a powerful new axis of anti-American resistance.

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Tommy's avatar

Ever since the Jews were chased from Amsterdam and settled in London. Not a coincidence

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Jon's avatar

Social media is not the same anymore without Kit Klarenberg sharp-watch-and-silver-tongue debunking MSM billionaire propaganda and deception misleading millions of citizens to sign up to die to protect neo-liberalism, imperialism, neo Nazis disguised as "freedom loving countries".

Make no mistake. There is no such thing as exceptionalism having shelter in the so-called democracies. One cannot exist at the same time with the other. Exceptionalism cannot exist in accordance with laws because it needs to be above all the rest as a requirement in order to prevail and to survive in the long run. And it will hunt down and kill if necessary any dissenting force opposed to exceptionalism.

Exceptionalism under certain light has the same essence of the Manifest of Destiny. Yet, how can "one fate" outweigh the fate of everyone else?

Looks like we are going for a long and hard dive into the abyss for some decades.

When all is said and done, the ones who caused all the chaos, destruction and death will hide again in the shadows as they did many times before in history. They will wait for those rebuilding countries to finish the job and then - when it's done - they will come back again slowly and start infiltrating from the bottom to the top to ruin everything for everybody again.

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jakub's avatar

Great report, Kit.

The torpedoing of the negotiations by the west, and going back, the fake Russiagate spun by the USA spook state and their media, and before it, the 2014 west-sponosored coup in Ukraine, all contributed to this ongoing war, which is a total disaster for everybody involved, except the politicians, the mainstream media and the merchants of death.

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