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Kun Bela's avatar

I feel the same disgust and contempt while reading this article as I did when I read about the disgusting acts of the Nazis during World War II, but I felt the same way about the British during the bombing of Dresden or the US destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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Punditman's avatar

Or US atrocities committed in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama...

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Kun Bela's avatar

Well, I didn't want to write a whole page in the list !

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Feral Finster's avatar

The Israeli feels "like" a Nazi?

He *is* a Nazi, no different from the SS who so terrorized his ancestors, just a different enemy and a different flag.

EDITED to make clear that Kit is *not* the ?Nazi here.

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Suzanne O'Keeffe's avatar

my thought exactly. There is no difference.

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Kazimir Malevitch's avatar

They are much worse than Nazi, history tells...

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Robert Orwell Hand's avatar

As with US slaveowners' in their anti-human treatment of their "private property," Israeli soldiers demonstrate how dehumanizing others invariably results in dehumanizing oneself. In a larger sense, the US imperialism and Zionist settler-colonialism comprise the inhuman system that can do nothing but dehumanize its victims as well as not only all who participate in it but those who fail to resist and oppose it as well. Thanks to Kit for his fearless reporting.

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L Bryon's avatar

Yes, the US’s system of slavery was the world’s most brutal: 400 years of chattel trading with zero generational family bonds allowed nor restitution for enduring ancestors.

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Ahenobarbus's avatar

Excellent work here, Kit. Thank you !

These are the consequences of the ideology of racial supremacy when combined with military/economic power and mythology. They are identical to the Nazis in ideology and conduct. This ideology turned Germans into monsters and it is clearly taking the same toll on these Israelis.

I use the term "Zionazi" quite often lately. It seems like a dumb epithet to some, but it is a scientific term based on a well documented Nazi ideology in the 30s and 40s, it's actions and it's toll on humanity. It is no accident that a large section of the Jewish population are now committed to carrying out similar atrocities under a nearly identical supremacist ideology. Just as the molested child as an adult often repeats his trauma on other children , the Zionazis are clearly channeling their step father Adolph Hitler in Gaza.

No Zionist should have any power over any section of humanity ever. Anyone who understands their crimes and ideology should make this a litmus test for any politician they support. Are they a Zionist? That one affiliation should disqualify any person from any position of authority.

These are the Nazis of today. Our actions and attitudes toward them will be seen in the same light as those who aided or fought the original Nazis in WW2. Everyone must pick a side. There is no middle ground when it comes to Zionazis.

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Leftwing Luke's avatar

This is a fantastic article Kit, thanks for all your journalism, as ever - very spot-on and very necessary, particularly in amongst all of the noisy propaganda screaming for attention! We need more like this...

There's lots I could say, but I think so much of it is said here already - the comments are a great read by themselves. I think the importance of journalism like yours, along with the community that forms around it, cannot be over-stated. The happenings of parts of our world and the knowledge of it can be heavy to deal with, but the access to and knowledge of a community of like-minded humans is a real remedy to that. It's a much-needed (and much-loved) reminder of the better side of humanity 🙃

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JennyStokes's avatar

This is an important editorial because it lays bare what humans can become if indoctrinated by military's or propaganda.

How will the Palestinians behave after they get their Homeland back? Anger does not just go away it festers until some sort of 'reconciliation' takes place or in depth psychological discussion.

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Rachel's avatar

These are the people who get $17 million PER DAY in "aid" from American taxpayers.

WHO IS IN CHARGE??

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Leah Gunn Barrett's avatar

The ZOF are worse than the German SS.

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Frederick's avatar

It is worse. Why? Because you could argue that the German civilian population was largely ignorant of the extant of the genocide that largely took place in foreign countries. The German people only had little more than a decade to be propagandized by the Nazis to hate their Jewish neighbors. The Israelis have been propagandized for 70 years. A wide majority of the Israelis approve of this genocide. This is a genocide that is being broadcast for all to see. It is a sad fact that populations can be molded to approve of the most horrific acts. Cecil Rhoades and his Round Table decided war with the Germans was in England’s best interests in the 1880’s. They began a media blitz framing the Germans as the bloody Huns influencing the British people to go into WW1. It works.

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Terrance Ó Domhnaill's avatar

That's where their predecessors learned it from. Cruelty begets cruelty.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

Psychologically, their self-projections onto Germans are not surprising in the slightest. People like this always accuse others of what they do themselves. One only needs to replace the word 'Yahweh' with 'Fuhrer' in the Torah and Talmud and you have that ideology understood in a nutshell.

"Any crime against a gentile is not a crime in the eyes of Yahweh' - the Talmud explains it all very well. They do not see any 'others' as the same species as them. It goes way beyond racism. Normal humans are born with something called a conscience with regards to other members of their own species. It's an inbuilt taboo. That ideology, however, circumvents that.

That ideology should be prosecuted for hate speech, amongst other things. Unfortunately, it dresses itself up as a 'religion' (simply by using the word 'god' instead of 'Fuhrer' and 'love' instead of 'obey'), and so it gets an exemption according to the wording of those hate speech laws. Likewise, there is a limit to what one is legally entitled to say in an increasing number of countries today. Which is why the genocide continues. They should call it Godwin's law.

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Rachel's avatar

I don't agree with hate speech laws- it should be the behavior, not the object of the behavior, that determines punishment. But this would be no obstacle to the entire IDF getting locked up for the rest of their lives. Plenty of crimes to prosecute without getting into the slippery slope of hate speech laws.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

I mostly agree with you. I say mostly, because perhaps we should rather have 'hate ideology' laws rather than just isolated bits of 'hate speech'. If, for example, a baby boy is subjected to a serious trauma at the age of 8 days old, which affects them for the rest of their life, and then during their childhood they are indoctrinated with an evil ideology that teaches them to hate everyone else, then I think a civilised society would make that illegal. If it weren't for the so-called exemptions under the law (and failure to prosecute for category A child abuse) then it would already be illegal.

At the same time, all these hate speech laws are horrendously selective. You're allowed to say certain hate stuff, but not others. It's absurd.

So from this point of view I do agree that it should be behaviour on which someone is judged. But we shouldn't forget the subversive influence of hate-filled ideologies. At the same time, there should be a good enough education system to provide children with an immunity to subversion.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

Then again, which came first - the evil, or the ideology that justifies it?

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Persephone's avatar

A more accurate psychological formulation is that the Israeli Jews, traumatized by thousands of years of persecution culminating with the holocaust, have internalized the abuse that was perpetrated on them and now perpetrate that same abuse on the Palestinians; and at the same time they have also projected onto the Palestinian population the "persecuting nazi" that lives within their own unconscious, and thus they feel as though they are justified in what they are doing to the Palestinians, because in their minds they are literally back in 1940's Germany fighting against the Nazis (as crazy as that seems and as unjustified as that is). It's horrifying to witness. That victims (often) grow up to be perpetrators is a very dark aspect of human nature, and here we are seeing it on a societal level.

We saw something similar in the brutal cruelty of the Irish slave overseers in the American south, who of course left Ireland because of the cruel treatment metered out to them in Ireland by their English overlords. Unfortunately, just like with the Nazi's, (Ukranian and the OG ones), none of us can afford to feel superior, because the actions of the IDF/Israelis are the actions of human beings and reflect the awful capacity of our shared humanity.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

I can understand what you say for sure. The psychology of that certainly has an internal logic to it. But not all abuse victims become abusers (speaking as an abuse victim myself). I would disagree with the historical aspect, however. The actual persecution of the Hebrews began with the ideology that was inflicted on them, in which an evil monstrous demonic tyrant by the name of Yahweh effectively carried out trauma-based mind control on them, collectively. They are, however, not allowed to admit that, and so they project Yahweh's persecution onto 'the other'. This is what they internalise, effectively. They project 'yahweh' onto others who may or may not have persecuted them.

Except when it comes to persecution, they will not accept the fact that one of the reasons people don't like them is because people don't like racism. And racism is inherent in the ideology. So it's actually the ideology which came first, and then the persecution (not the other way round). There's a reason why no other group has been persecuted as much as they have, and I would say it's the ideology that is the reason.

Unfortunately, via Judaeo-Christianity and all its offshoots, that ideology seems to have taken over most of the world now, in various forms and variations. That's why there's so much hatred and fear of the other in the world right now. It's an attack on the human soul and spirit.

And I don't think that persecution will come to an end unless they self-examine and accept this psychology. Unfortunately, I don't think that is going to happen.

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Persephone's avatar

It ought to be difficult to deny that "the other" as in gentiles in Europe spent at least a thousand years persecuting European Jews. That is the historic persecution which culminated in the also undeniable holocaust. That is the historical persecution which has created the collective multigenerational trauma (and paranoid world view) of which I am talking.

Of course not all victims grow up to be perpetrators. I said that explicitly. Many decades ago, long before I did my psychotherapy training, back when I was a baby nurse, I found a paper in the med school library which suggested that the rule of thirds applied. 1/3rd would grow up to be perpetrators no matter what. One third would not grow up to be perpetrators no matter what. And for the final third it would depend on the personal qualities of their chosen partner and the environment in which they found themselves. (The paper was on men who were physically abused as boys and later adult intimate partner violence). It seems about right in my experience, though I did not have the academic chops to critique the paper at the time, and in my experience the third who do not go on to be abusers by no means escape Scot free - the trauma just manifests itself differently in their lives (mental illness, chronic physical illness, further victimization as an adult, substance abuse, workaholism, emotional dysregulation etc).

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

Can you provide me with another group of people who have been victims of genocide and who have ‘internalised the trauma’ and become genocidaires themselves?

I can’t think of any throughout the entirety of history. I’m assuming you’re American - so let’s start with three examples that your ancestors were responsible for - the indigenous population of America, 90% of whom were genocided. Have they become genocidal? Second, Vietnam - have the Vietnamese become genocidal? That was your parents of course. Then we’ll have the Koreans - any of them become genocidal? That was your grandparents.

Nope. None of them.

So I’m sorry, but your cod-psychology doesn’t seem to function.

And I’m sure you don’t like me accusing your ancestors of genocide.

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Persephone's avatar

No. I'm a New Zealander of Irish and working class English extraction, so there is no genocide in my ancestry as far as I'm aware. New Zealand didn't have the draft during Vietnam, and though we sent a few dozen troops, none of them were my relations. Frankly, I don't know why you would assume that I'm American(, apart from that to do so is a veiled insult and you are clearly feeling triggered for whatever reason).

And yes, I can provide you with some examples. the Irish who were so cruelly persecuted by the English upper-class, oversaw what was accepted even as the time as the cruelest form of slaver ever practiced, and did so with exceptional cruelty as overseers on the American slave plantations. I don't know what "cod psychology" is (apart from presumably an insult), but If you were to study sociology you would discover that this is the example standardly used to explain the well known sociological phenomena of persecuted groups becoming persecutors. The phenomena was first explained to me twenty odd years ago by a first year nurse with a PHD in sociology when we were sitting around on nightshift talking about the horror that even then was Israel/Palestine. It's well known and widely accepted in sociology and group psychology.

Also, accusing my ancestors of genocide without any evidence or foundation is a bit rich coming from someone with a German surname.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

That paper sounds like a reasonable conclusion out of instinct - the thirds, I mean. It would pretty much always result in what we would call complex PTSD, which of course manifests in a massive variety of ways.

With regards to your first paragraph, I was actually going back further than European history. And I certainly wouldn’t deny the traditional anti-Jewish attitude prevalent in Europe for the last, well, perhaps more than a thousand years, but certainly since then.

But it is important to ask why and to try and understand that. The problem with these people is that they assume that the reason is because ‘all gentiles are racist’. This is demonstrably not true of course and amounts to the worst racist statement of all time. Human beings are not born racist, they need to be given a reason for it. It doesn’t matter if that reason is valid or not, it just needs to be perceived as valid. In the case of Jews, the reason they were given is their founding myth of being persecuted victims, namely ‘slaves in Egypt’. This myth has been comprehensively debunked by Egyptologists of course. But it persists to this day.

So they are taught that ‘all gentiles are out to get them’, meaning they develop a racist hatred of gentiles. This further leads to paranoia and pre-emptive attacks. The IOF probably ‘justify’ their murder of women and children by telling themselves that if they don’t kill the child it will grow up to be an enemy. Likewise, if they kill women (or torture them into impotence - likewise with the men) they can’t have any more children.

If we are honest about this entire history we can indeed take it back three thousand years, at which point the Hebrews are carrying out the worst atrocities imaginable that were simply unheard of to humanity (read the bible). So I would suggest that’s where historical animosity towards Judaists originally comes from. It’s in their ideology, which is anathema to humanity.

And the tragic thing is this will not stop until they self-examine and come to admit this, that maybe the reason for the persecution lies in their own behaviour and attitude. That’s where the real denial is. And I don’t think that is ever going to happen. In which case, as we are seeing with the visceral reaction to the genocide in Gaza, at some point there will be another final solution.

That’s not to justify it, of course - that’s to explain it. And to warn about it. Equally unfortunately, it has become taboo and a thought crime to even discuss this in a rational manner. And so it doesn’t get resolved…

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Persephone's avatar

That's a disgusting piece of victim blaming. The reason why the jews were persecuted in Europe was not because they were somehow uniquely loathsome and brought it on themselves: that is pure antisemitism, plain and simple and vile. The Jews were a group of outsiders in Europe, and I don't know if you've ever seen the way children in the playground treat misfit kids, but that alone is enough to justify their persecution (and note that that is an explanation that blames the perpetrators and our shared human nature not the victims). Add to that Hitler's deliberate campaign to scapegoat the Jews, much as various groups get scapegoated by the rapacious elites today and for the same reasons. Do you have any equally repulsive thoughts about how the gypsies, homosexuals and mentally ill people who also ended up in Hitler's gas chambers deserved their fate, or do you reserve your victim blaming for the Jews? Shame on you.

In terms of childhood trauma: no it doesn't always result in complex PTSD (known more officially as borderline personality disorder). It manifests in a variety of different ways which get a variety of different labels and have a variety of different dynamics to them, and complex PTSD/borderline personality disorder is only one, and one that is disproportionately female. Male and female children tend to respond differently ie in gendered ways to childhood abuse for reasons to complex to go into here. You can get a schizoid withdrawal from the world, you can get a paranoid personality style, you can get a full blown schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorder/psychopathy (more common in men, though grossly over diagnosed in economically disadvantaged men with brown skin), and a whole lot of dynamics that haven't made their way into the DSM but can still have a very distressing impact upon your life and/or that of those around you.

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Evelyn K. Brunswick's avatar

I’m not sure I can respond to your comment properly. It’s not legal in my country of residence to question certain official narratives. If one even suggests there may be anomalies in the atrocity stories about ww2 they can send you to prison.

On a completely unrelated note, I am glad that the Palestinians in the Gaza death camp have been able to retain their capacity for their instinctive human fight or flight response. Heaven knows how bad the genocide would’ve become if some spell had been cast on them.

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Gene Avila's avatar

Great article. The ZOF are pure monsters. Irsaelis are people I will hate forever. So much evil.

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Truth Seeking Missile's avatar

There should be no hesitation here on the part of the global south. All Israeli jewish citizens must be brought to justice.

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Neil Procter's avatar

Thanks to independent and social media the truth is being revealed. As a result I am now reading Justice for Some by Noura Erakat which is revealing, for the first time for me at least, just how complicit and guilty Britain is, and always has been, in supporting and enabling Zionist aims and objectives. Even back in 1936 Britain brutally crushed the Great Revolt, an understandable Palestinian reaction to the corrupt and unfairly weighted plan for partition that resulted from the 1917 Zionist bought and paid for Balfour Declaration. The UK’s harsh repression of the Palestinians acted as a role model for the Zionists, one which they have continued to execute, with both UK and US support, to the present day.

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Peter Johnstone's avatar

The only way the evil of Zionism will become widely understood and accepted is through corroborated evidence given to the ICC or the ICJ (maybe a vain wish). Sadly the traditional media have failed us and are complicit in the genocide: Patrick Lawrence recently posted an insightful article on the media and censorship in his substack.

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Zanzibar9CH's avatar

Ones more, a huge thank for this report. Translated in French here : https://zanzibar.substack.com/p/enquete-de-haaretz-quand-des-sionistes

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Sorry, * once

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max's avatar

''Female ZOF militants snap a selfie in the ruins of Gaza, February 2024''

Look at the contrast in the photograph. It looks fake.

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Alec's avatar

“I felt like a Nazi”

You're worse than a Nazi

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Vera Marques Alves's avatar

Your work is indispensable. Thank you for this!

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