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Andrew Thomas's avatar

It’s official. The U.S. Empire is run by shameless monsters. The UK and France by clueless monsters.

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Gogs's avatar

Oh, I think Starmer must be shameless, a psycho in fact.

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OverFlowError's avatar

What a fiasco orchestrated by US/UK neocons. Someone should have talked to Mearsheimer. I have no idea if there’s any ‘technical’ US law violation by US officials by the 2014 orange revolution, but it should be closely looked at by DOJ now. I’m

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Anne Boylon's avatar

Empire, and its bestest friend, England, have the ethics of a gangster and the dirty tricks of a card shark. Besides the Russians, those who have suffered most at the hands of empire's neo-cons are the Ukrainians. Another crime against humanity racked up on empire's score sheet.

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Feral Finster's avatar

So what does anyone propose to do about it?

"Blessed are the cynical, for only they have what it takes to succeed." - C. Wright Mills

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aj hollis's avatar

Personally having gleefully moved out of Britain at the beginning of the 1980s, I'd suggest that a precision targeting of the City of London on a workday early afternoon with a small nuclear weapon fired by a still operational British submarine (if there is still such a thing) would be the best thing for most everybody that isn't a grubby Central Banker or treasonous whore British politicians.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

End it. End it now.

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Feral Finster's avatar

If only it were that easy.

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voza0db's avatar

From Cookies to an enjoyable Barbecue...

https://voza0db.substack.com/p/morons-just-dont-get-it-b0e

We in the Western Plantations don't care about any of this. Actually CARE!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Macron won't be in power much longer (not that he is now). Neither will Keir Starmer. Stupid idiotic war of which the out come was clear from the start.

Looks like at least 50yrs of hooliganism by the west.

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Feral Finster's avatar

What makes you so sure regarding Macron?

And even if Starmer were forced from office, he'd simply be replaced by another imperialist muppet,

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JustPlainBill's avatar

Yes, these serial replacements of British PMs haven't really been working out very well, have they? From Liz Truss to BoJo to Sunak and now Starmer. I know the UK has a limited talent pool to draw on, but can't they find ANYONE better?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Notice each of the aforementioned seeks to outdo each other in emnity to Russia and slavish fealty to Israel and the United States.

Europeans like being slaves.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

That seems to be the chief qualification in the EU nowadays for a "leadership" position. Witness, for example, Kaia Kallas.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Until they don't!

You think USA are NOT 'slaves' to the establishment?

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Feral Finster's avatar

I guess they can say that it's "their" dollar and "their" empire.

Europeans don't even get that much.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Of course.....the US Empire is what it is just like the UK Empire WAS.

Unlike the US we do still have education which is good and free.

Trump is not even going to have an education department as I have read.

Keep the people dumb.

I really do not want to fight you Feral because I know Europe (forget the UK) maybe you visited here at one point?

We still have healthcare/homes for old people/free education etcetara.

I know that you have a deep seated hate for the Europeans. WHY?

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JennyStokes's avatar

Each one that has been better: Jeremy Corbyn has been silenced.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Not that Corbyn has a particularly stiff spine. He let his own party accuse him of antisemitism and kick him out. Read Asa Winstanley. Corbyn did not even stick up for himself.

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JennyStokes's avatar

True.

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aj hollis's avatar

The outcome being the population of the west getting poorer while the parasite caste getting richer, and a great host of beautiful Ukrainian women needing to look at becoming Mormons if they wish to have Ukrainian children in wedlock.

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JennyStokes's avatar

He has another 3yrs BUT his hands are tied.

No support from left or right with regard to the Premier Mister.

Keir Starmer.....look at the polls + more back history to come for this so-called humanitarian lawyer.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Starmer was the one who told Sweden not to "get cold feet" regarding Julian Assange. He's a pig. Kick his ass out.

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Feral Finster's avatar

OK, so Macron isn't leaving office any time soon.

Starmer is unpopular, but so what? His orders are carried out, just the same.

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JennyStokes's avatar

NO they are not!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Oh really. Care to provide evidence?

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Saturdaydancer's avatar

Well there is a battle going on in Labour.

Don’t forget Starmer was a Corbyn ally.

Totally at odds with the Tony Blair Institute.

Starmers time as a Human Rights Barrister will be his undoing.

To many skeletons in the cupboard.

As for France well I spent some time in my ancestral home of St Etienne.

Well it’s no longer France and I suspect Macron isn’t the person to change that.

He’s wildly hated.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Starmer *was* a Corbyn ally. He since has gotten the message.

But noen of that relates tothe central claim, that Starmer's manifest unpopularity somehow makes his orders invalid.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

I think many of us knew this intuitively, at least those of us who were paying attention.

My heart breaks for Ukraine, and for Russia. What a waste of people! Fighting a stupid war for the sake of weakening Russia, and at the expense of Ukraine and its people is immoral.

The reputations of western nations, led by the USA, are beyond repair.

Any other nations want America's 'help'? Look at Ukraine. See what they got. Is that what you want for your country?

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Not just intuitively. Those of us who follow independent media and understand history knew it in reality.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

The USA just bribes the leaders to do their bidding. What the people of the country want doesn't matter at all.

I suspect that this is the USA's beef with China. Xi's anti-corruption drive broke Western control. Note that this initiative was always denounced by the pro-corruption Western press.

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John W Waring's avatar

I hope Taiwan takes a hard look at the Ukrainian debacle and realizes this could happen to them.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Me too, John.

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Peter Hansen's avatar

I do think most people lack the imagination and are too smug and eating cake while hoping for another marketplace win for the EU. Poland on the other hand had active killing troops in Ukraine since 2013. They didn’t want to be the flank anymore I imagine.

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Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

The whole American UK war against Russia is a false flag, we are supposed to believe Russia was not provoked, there is no elephant.

UK desperate to maintain ability to manipulate gaslamp and terrorize wants to torture us into another five hundred years of slavery, best of luck

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JustPlainBill's avatar

Alexander Mercouris discussed this TIME article in his video on The Duran yesterday, and made the interesting point about "as long as it takes", namely "as long as WHAT takes?"

Interestingly, Ukraine assuming neutrality to end the war may be its best chance to avoid becoming an outright vassal of some other power center.

Whatever it may be, "America First" should not include throwing hapless nations to the wolves with the only goal being simply to exhaust a perceived enemy.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

And mistakenly believe that Russia was "weak", when it was not. Washington is still living in the Cold War and in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia, on the other hand, has moved on.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

I am often unsure how much they actually believe of what they say publicly, and how much is just to feed the narrative designed for public consumption. Neither is good, but I think the former is of greater concern. Yesterday Trump said that a million Russians have died in this war, so obviously at least HE is seriously misinformed. I'm hoping that is just because he refused to take national security briefings prior to swearing in, and that he soon gets the straight story.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Wondering what a salesman "actually believes" gets you nowhere. And the USA security state NEVER gives anyone the straight story. "Never, not once, did we say 'let's cross them up and tell the truth this time.'" -- John Stockwell, ex-CIA.

Ray McGovern told the truth to W during his daily presidential briefing. W called CIA headquarters and complained. They didn't do that again.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

In a practical sense, likely there is no easy way to tell what someone actually believes unless he slips up later and contradicts himself. But knowing would help you figure out whether a person was evil or just uninformed/stupid.

I do agree that in a bureaucracy, there is generally no reward for sharing unpleasant or inconvenient truths.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

I figure that

1) you usually can't tell which. The only way is if you somehow find out what they were doing when they thought no one was watching.

https://youtu.be/4067JlShikU?si=bElQ1PQD_BlpdnYp&t=42

That takes some luck.

2) the result is the same either way so it doesn't make any practical difference.

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John W Waring's avatar

In the May 2001 edition of The Atlantic Monthly, Jeffrey Tayler published, “Russia is Finished: The Unstoppable Descent into Social Catastrophe and Strategic Irrelevance.”

Russia was finished when Germany imposed a draconian peace in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in early 1918.

Russia was finished after suffering millions of casualties and extensive destruction during the Red versus White civil war in the early 1920’s.

Russia was finished in the 1930’s when Stalin’s famines and purges killed millions, and wrecked the officer corps of the Red Army.

Russia was finished in late 1941. Hitler’s invasion killed millions of civilians and soldiers, destroyed European Russia, and arrived at the Gates of Moscow, but the German onslaught was checked by the arrival of Russia’s Siberian Army.

Russia continued to suffer shocking casualties during 1942. But they hung on, by their fingernails, fought the Wehrmacht to a draw in Stalingrad, one of the bloodiest, most gruesome and vicious battles in world history. The Soviet soldier hung on until the Soviet General Staff launched an encircling counterattack, and trapped the German Sixth Army and totally destroyed it.

In 1943 the Soviets concluded the main German effort would occur in the Kursk region. They had the time to prepare a thorough defensive position, in depth. The Germans almost broke through. The Soviets had to throw their strategic reserve into the maelstrom, and they prevailed. The Kursk battle was the strategic turning point of WW II because the Soviets shattered the offensive capability of the Wehrmacht. The Germans would be on the defensive for the remainder of the war, a war that ended with the Soviets storming Berlin in 1945. Remember this: the Soviet Union suffered nine million dead soldiers and an estimated eighteen million dead civilians, yet they inflicted three quarters of the casualties suffered by the German army. The preternatural capacity of the Soviet people to endure unimaginable suffering and lose, yet retain enough resilience to recover and then destroy Hitler’s legions is one of the most remarkable achievements of the 20th century. Truly astonishing.

Let’s fast forward to the 1990’s. After the Soviet Union dissolved into its component countries, the Russian economy collapsed The shock of transitioning from a command to a market economy caused a social and economic calamity, worse than our Great Depression. Boris Yeltsin made things worse by permitting a favored few to take control of the remaining Crown Jewels of the Russian economy. The Oligarchs became wealthy and powerful, with the rest of Russian society dying on the vine.

I am not familiar with the events leading to Vladimir Putin’s ascent to power, but the man met his moment. He stopped the bleeding by using the power of the State to curb the rapacity of the Oligarchs, giving Russian society space to breathe. No, his means were not pretty, but Russian politics never are. Putin began the long arc of Russian recovery. His successes have endeared himself to the Russian people, who have made him an elected Czar.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The problem is that Russia is dithering and indecisive. Much as I may wish otherwise.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

"Interestingly, Ukraine assuming neutrality to end the war may be its best chance to avoid becoming an outright vassal of some other power center."

That's the thing. Ukraine is so trashed it can't support itself. It utterly depends on the USA, which wants it to continue being increasingly trashed making it even weaker. So Ukraine is completely screwed.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

You make a valid point; I guess this is really no longer a good option. I suspect that whatever reconstruction is done will be paid for by selling off assets and land to the globalist corporations, followed by one of those impossible-to-pay-back loans from the World Bank. Dispossession and debt serfdom most likely is the nation's future. Perhaps that is why they stubbornly cling to the Victory narrative--they no longer have a palatable choice.

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ekain3's avatar

“American and Saudi agribusiness companies and investment funds are massively taking over Ukrainian agricultural land. Specifically, we are talking about Bunge Limited, Oaktree Capital Management, BlackRock, ADM and Cargill, which control practically the majority of agricultural land,” said Barbara Bonthe, a member of the European Parliament for Belgium.

https://www.euskalherria-donbass.org/2024/12/13/salio-a-subasta-el-lote-ucrania/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIB7phleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHVuISweO1Rj3tV-9aDvgM_LYVHvTihcCcK4zHKHP7PrRoB5iXsgQf322Qw_aem_OSDzITMfwZdo8UgD5oy5Fg

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Jo Waller's avatar

They may be transnational corporations but they are not 'globalist', they are predominately US Imperialist neocolonialist corporations using the IMF and the World Bank. The term globalist has been used to deflect from what it really is. The cartels controlling the US deep state.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

True enough, but the term "globalist" is in common use because it reflects their aspirations.

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Jo Waller's avatar

I realise it's in common usage but it's confused with a globalist plot by the WEF to depopulate and control us.

It's actively used to deflect and confuse.

Imperialist is a better term reflecting aspirations and origins.

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Paula's avatar

That's not their only goal, I hope you know. Russia has reclaimed vital resources that Ukraine is full of. Look it up. That is why the previous Soviet Union performed the Holodomor known as the Ukranian Famine on them. It has rich soils which is more important in my view, than any other of their resources Mush in so interested in. (Spelling purposeful). A young journalist visited the region during that time and reported on it but the Jewish controlled media of the time barely published his reports. I can tell you his name because I did extensive research, if you are interested.

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SharKid's avatar

Holodomor occurd because of selfish kulaks. It was Russia that saved Ukraine. And the media at the time wasn’t controlled by Jews, you Nazi prick. It was controlled by Amerikkkans. You and that journalist are liar

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Feral Finster's avatar

I lived much of my adult life in Ukraine, and one thing I worked on was trying to drum up interest in investing in Ukrainian resources.

Enough to say there was no interest. The world is awash in cheap commodities.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

Perhaps saying it is the ONLY goal is a stretch, but not by much. By shooting only for weakening Russia (per the 2019 RAND study), many of those resources are not going to drop into the West's lap if Ukraine ultimately loses. Of course, since their longer-term goal for RUSSIA is to break it into pieces to ready it for resource looting, I guess you can say that.

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Paula's avatar

Well, there's this little piece of historical evidence.

The Geographical Pivot of History .

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000726582&view=1up&seq=5

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Paula's avatar

Everyone should see Scott Ritter's two part series on Agent Zelensky. In part two at approx. 30:00 into, you might recognize why Trump wants Canada to become part of USA.

SCOTT RITTER PART II

https://mronline.org/2023/08/31/agent-zelensky-part-2/

SCOTT RITTER PART I

https://rumble.com/v2zkv06-a-scott-ritter-investigation-agent-zelensky-part-1.html

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

I'd say the real loss is to the million casualties & their survivors.

May all the vile perps of this slavicide spend eternity burning in hell.

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m droy's avatar

Turning Ukraine into a pit of chaos at the end of the Silk Road blocking all Russia/EU trade and much Brics/EU trade was always a US goal.

Interesting to hear that Krinky was a British disaster.

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

I'll have something longer coming on Krynky very soon.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

The Silk Road can still go through Turkey.

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m droy's avatar

And Syria. Watch what happened there.

It could also go the northern sea route between Russia and the N Pole. Anything happening up there?

Sure Ukraine does not cut China off from the rest of the world, but it does do a pretty good job of cutting Russia off. It did a great job of getting almost all EU to be hostile to Russia and along with the destruction of NS2 cutting Europe off from Russian oil and gas. Pretty sure this was a much higher consideration for USA (or rather much of the decision making groups that went along with it all) than merely re-capturing Donbas which is pretty much what the media admits was the case now.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Yes the Iron Curtain is going up again but this time it is the weak and fearful West that is putting it up. This is a weak and fearful defensive strategy, your basic losing game. Western people want those goods so some will get through. The trend of Western people losing faith in their governments, already well advanced, will continue as their standard of living deteriorates and their world morphs into Orwell's 1984. Eventually the people will insist that this end, just as they did with the Berlin Wall in 1989. Recently the soldiers of South Korea did not support a Western-backed coup. This is the future.

Youtube banned my comments to this effect.

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m droy's avatar

1984 - Winston Smiths job was to go through the historical record (copies of the Times) and replace all references of Eurasia with East Asia.

Oceania (US + Airstrip One, Britain) had just stopped fighting with Eurasia (Soviet controlled Europe) and was now fighting East Asia (China controlled Asia). Familiar.

Ukraine has always been 3 wars:

civil war: W vs E Ukraine

Global war: Nato vs Russia

Economic war: US vs Germany (or vs Europe or vs China) - cutting off Germany from China Block.

For US the Economic war on Germany has always been the biggest game.

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Richard's avatar

Sadly, since Blair the politicisation of intelligence has ruled, so wishful thinking and downright lies have been the currency, the various intelligence agencies the catspaws of their political masters.

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Antonio's avatar

Starmer unashamedly along with a hoodwinked zelensky have Ukrainian blood on their hands and face, when it was obvious such incursions into Russia were naievely conceived sending Troops to their death. Starmer is fast becoming a liability for the British people. We will rue his premiership for decades to come.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Starmer could not care less. He already has gotten his.

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Jill Azzouzi's avatar

Come back to me when they abandon the pariah apartheid state.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Fuck the US empire and it's vassal states😤

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Feral Finster's avatar

Settle down. We've heard this story before, including at least twice with regard to Syria.

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Scipio's avatar

This is different.

What happens in Ukraine is personal to Russia, and Russians. They regard much of Ukraine as ancestral slavic Russian land.

The outcome in Ukraine matters & goes beyond mere geopolitics, for the Kremlin and for Russians.

For them, it's personal and existential. That means that NATO, the EU and the US will all be expelled and pushed back to a distance from which they can't threaten Russia, that whatever remains of Ukraine will be militarily very weak, and also that the sick neonazi virus will be purged from the territory that Russia takes.

It's not that these objectives "may" be achieved. They WILL be achieved, and Russia won't stop until they are achieved.

The US cannot stop this inevitable outcome, and nor can NATO.

Russia now holds all the cards. In fact, it has held them since the start of the SMO.

Ukraine is the most epic humiliation and defeat suffered by the West since the end of WW2. Worse than Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan & Iraq - combined.

A total and utter disaster.

The longer the US stays in, the worse it gets for the US.

I suspect Trump knows that the US has an extremely poor weak hand, and it's time to fold. Ergo behind the scenes, I think Trump will give Putin pretty much everything Russia demands and then he will get the US out of Ukraine completely. Trump may even remove US long range missiles from Poland and Romania, as part of the deal.

Publicly, Kiev will be ordered to be the public face of defeat. Europe? It will be left to its own fate.

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JasonT's avatar

Almost as if the humiliation was on purpose by those who would fundamentally change the West.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Trump neither knows nor cares. For that matter, if this is existential (and probably it should be!) Russia pussyfooted around for three years.

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Scipio's avatar

I tend agree with your first point, which should worry everyone.

I strongly disagree with your second point. In reality and far from "pussy footing around" (your words), the Russians have and continue to deliver a military masterclass, that will be studied in military academies for centuries to come.

The Russian campaign of slow, grinding, attrition warfare has not only annihilated what was easily Europe's strongest military force, but has also achieved multiple strategic geopolitical objectives for Russia & delivered a mighty geopolitical, economic and military defeat to the West.

Russia emerges far, far stronger from Ukraine on every possible measure. The West? It's been mauled & is now weaker than it's ever been, since WW2.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Keep telling yourself that, even as the West has lost all fear of Russia and daily ignores red line after Russian red line with impunity.

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Scipio's avatar

Westsrn elites has no fear of Russia because they are arrogant, irrational & deluded.

It's also why they ignore Moscow's official red line (there has only been one) by taking insane risks, such as firing long range missiles into Russia.

These western idiots are taking insane, reckless things like this because they ARE insane.

It is only Russian leadership - restraint and patience - that prevents world war breaking out (a war that Russia could well win btw, because they have won the arms race.) Another thing we in the West can thank Mr Putin and his team for.

Russia is a nuclear armed superpower - I'm old enough to remember when rational people ran the West, were respectful of Russia & sometimes feared it, because that is the correct posture to have when dealing with such powerful nation states.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Nobody would dream of trying the United States similarly.

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JasonT's avatar

It is clear the Trump knows, and knows that the only rational path is out. He is absolutely correct.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Trump is weak, stupid and easily manipulated. Recall twice how he cucked out of leaving Syria.

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JasonT's avatar

You do you. I'm happy to wait and see what happens. So far, I'm enjoying the ride.

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Michael David Morrissey's avatar

Reminds me of what I wrote in 1993 about Watergate being the Deep State's scapegoating of Nixon to bring "closure" to the Vietnam war and encourages me to think I got it right. Plus ça change...

https://sites.google.com/site/lookingfortheenemy/ch-3-conspiracy-and-the-press/1-the-watergate-coup-nixon-as-scapegoat

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PamelaDrew's avatar

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”

Henry Kissinger

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Jeano's avatar

A good article but about 10 years too late. Most people who would read Kit Clarendon already know this. I wish and hope our intrepid journos would now start explaining how all this killing was done in the name of corporate profits. And not just the MIC. Archer Danial’s Midland, mining companies, and I don’t know who all, wanting to do to Ukraine what they now want to do to Greenland. And tried to do in Georgia. And are doing in Romania. I don’t know how long supposedly informed US citizens can go on ignoring the corporate coup that we now live in—o wait—I guess we can for as long as our journo’s do!!!

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JasonT's avatar

Ukraine was a bread basket and an industrial power. If you can't compete, kill your competition. Not a lot different than the pineapple, banana and rubber wars.

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Jeano's avatar

Exactly. It’s what corporations do best: They steal. They steal resources, they steal labor, they steal profits, and through Wall Street, funnel them into their little greedy pockets.

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JasonT's avatar

Some do. Biden got rich facilitating them.

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Dr. Mohammed Kulmiye's avatar

🤔 USA has never abandoned anyone ever

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