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Tony Erizia's avatar

Well constructed, impeccably researched piece of writing. Ive been catching hell on Instagram for exposing Ukraine's fascist elements and history.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

So have I. I will be sharing this article as well. Don't give up.

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David Aplin's avatar

I hope you are giving as good as you’re getting! All the best

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Dragan Milivojević's avatar

Since Instagram is media first social network: Post a screen shot of Google maps of avenues leading to Babi Yar named after Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera.

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Illinois Cook's avatar

Thank you, Kit! Fascinating, well-written and important.

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Eoin Clancy's avatar

Excellent piece, thanks. MI6, total sadists, they're responsible for more killings than Joseph and Adolf. They won't be content unless they destroy the world.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Dying and dead empires behave this way.

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Protect & Survive's avatar

But they finally end in war Carolyn: https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/wartime-extended-edition-the-hegemon?sd=pf

Ray Dalio did a great piece on collapsing empires:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

Historically the SIS. One should look into the financing of both totalitarian regimes you mention.

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Protect & Survive's avatar

Yes, via the BIS

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PFC Billy's avatar

Another example where in the British intelligence/Ukraine relationship "the more things change, the more they stay the same"?

Zelensky seems poised to follow Bandera into a similar exile and limbo (albeit with rather nicer housing and fatter bank accounts), phased out due to trying to run other agendas than those desired by the Kiev governments foreign sponsors/paymasters, engaging in schism, plotting and infighting among the anti Russian leadership?

Are we seeing a similar progression with Zelensky's foreign support as happened around Bandera in his final acts? First pissing off the CIA, then the British stepping back, at the end only sponsored by Germany/EU?

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Alfred Brown's avatar

British stepping back?! Please do elaborate

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PFC Billy's avatar

I do not see the connection between your link to an old post and my comment on present/future fate of Zelensky Explain further?

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PFC Billy's avatar

Thanks, that was an interesting retrospective- Who here knew about Zelensky getting naked in supermarkets?!

https://youtu.be/Kn2TCq6R8Tw

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Protect & Survive's avatar

LOL - Who ever knew? It's" curiouser and curiouser" as Alice observed:

"“Curiouser and curiouser!” cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English); “now I’m opening out like the largest telescope that ever was! Good-bye, feet!” (for when she looked down at her feet, they seemed to be almost out of sight, they were getting so far off) “Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I’m sure I shan’t be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can;—but I must be kind to them,” thought Alice, “or perhaps they won’t walk the way I want to go! Let me see: I’ll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.”

Trump says he's going to be 'kind' to those who follow his directives on tariffs [and war] - we wait in anticipation!

Cheers

AP

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Jeffrey S. Kaye's avatar

One of your best, Kit! Thank you!

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

Extremely grand praise coming from you, dear Jeff!!! Thank you!

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J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

Great story, great bit of journalism Kit. I’m looking forward to your *book on the subject. 😉

*if you’re not already you should be. It’s a fascinating story and has meaningful contemporary implications which we have seen played out.

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

God bless you my friend! I do think I need to get it together to write something much longer on Britain's disturbing dalliance with Neo-Nazism in service of breaking up Russia.

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Rick's avatar

Your research and exposure of the relationship of MI6/SIS with Ukrainian Nationalist, Fascist and post WW2 Neo Nazis is vital in the context of the Russian SMO and the origins of the New Cold War against Russia. In particular it is essential in explaining the critical role of the UK Security Services in defining and covertly implementing Government foreign policies. Also we cannot overestimate enough the malign influence and centrality of these shadowy agencies in the functions and institutions of the current Neoliberal (authoritarian) UK state and civil society. By this understanding of the UK National Security State it is possible to explain why the UK is the most extreme supporter of the Banderite ultranationalist regime in Kiev up to and including the deployment and use of its nuclear weapons to deter Russia and save the Ukraine UDF from collapse.

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J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

Yeah, its fascinating (and depressing lol) how the same old tried, tested and failed tactics are still used by the establishment and their “Intelligence” Agencies, which i’m sure is an oxymoron or something.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

I thought that the definition of insanity was to keep doing the same things over and over while expecting a different result.

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J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

Yes, quite.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Thank you for this report. I know far too many people who continue to deny that Banderites are still operating in Ukraine to this day. They call me a "Putin puppet" and declare that the idea of living fascists in Ukraine is merely "Russian propaganda". I am sharing your report as widely as I can.

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Linda Hagge's avatar

Sensational reporting, Kit.

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Melvyn Punymeyer's avatar

So Bandera...

"was genuinely grateful for the help given to him but at the same time is certainly trying to get all he can out of it..."

was asked to make compromises but "refused this suggestion with arrogant finality"...

Sounds like another Ukrainian strongman who has plans to bomb every nuclear reactor on his way out.

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Kojo's avatar

The Allied forces in WWII joined forces with the Soviets to defeat the Nazis. However, after that the allies incorporated the nazis and nazi tactics and military technology. And we see the heritage even today.

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Natalia's avatar

"All roads lead back to London"

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Steve Hindmarch's avatar

Thank you so much for shedding light on this darkest of episodes. I await part two with fascination and dread.

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Kun Bela's avatar

Thank you very much for the comprehensive document, it helps us to look into the ugly depths of the past that has been lied about so far !

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

This history and the en=vents of 2013-14 are Witkoff's real "elephant in the room." The entire sordid tale needs to be told to the world, while the UK and USA suffer the consequences of their actions.

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thelonegunman's avatar

Houston Stewart Chamberlain, ‘german nationalist and racial theorist’, and ‘godfather of n@z! antisemitic theories’, was not ‘German’ at all: he was a Brit, born in Portsmouth to a Rear Admiral, and attended Chelthenham College… 'national socialism' was created by the English, that's why it didn't 'die with the nazis'

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Kun Bela's avatar

I always laugh when the English shamelessly forget about their German roots. I read a genetic study a year ago that said the much-mocked cabbage-eating Germans contributed 65% of the genome to the English people ! :)

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Especially including the British royal family. The Mountbattens changed their name from Battenberg during WWI.

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Michael Peck's avatar

And “House of Windsor” was chosen as a suitably English sounding name to replace the distinctly German “House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha” - not least because of German Gotha bombers striking Britain in 1917.

https://www.worldwar-1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/61OEOFs27TL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

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PFC Billy's avatar

@Michael Peck

One of the odd WWII occurrences I recall involved a German secret agent (Josef Jakobs) parachuting into England during WWII. Jakobs broke an ankle landing badly and was soon apprehended.

He was executed by firing squad after that- But since he could not stand up due to his injuries, the ever kindly British executed him by firing squad while sitting in "a fine Windsor chair". Make of that symbolism what you will-

https://youtu.be/5y_PpKEyUFw?si=3oUeIlQoJuKMEpUz

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eg's avatar

That’s why I always mock the English as “crypto-Germans”

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PFC Billy's avatar

@eg

Neither the evil "NorseFire" EngSoc party in "V for Vendetta" nor the hammer wielding fascists in "The Wall" movies were cut from whole cloth, the British ruling class were (and still ARE) just fine with authoritarianism as long as THEY get to be the authorities.

https://vforvendetta.fandom.com/wiki/Norsefire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_the_Worms#:~:text=of%20%22Stop!%22-,Film%20version,is%20seen%20yelling%20%22Stop%22.

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thelonegunman's avatar

the most prominent and profitable Corporate States created by the Europeans (and i include the English in that definition - especially considering not just the German 'inputs' into the genome pool, but also the French) were their East India corporations: the for-profit corporate entities created by the wealthy and elite of europe to enslave, colonise, and extract resources, from the 'non-civilized and savage lands'... and that business model worked for centuries, until the germans decided use it against fellow White Europeans and split hairs between 'civilized europeans' and the 'untermenschen' ... that dichotomy still exists, just witness how The West views Russia in their attempt to 'erase Ukraine from the map', and how The West views the White European Jewish Colony established by a Brit in Palestine in 1917 (after the europeans found all that oil in the region) an its ongoing working to erase palestine from the map

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Baz's avatar

Oh come now gunman, you know it’s way more complicated than that. Throw in bloc geopolitics, ancient religious texts, AIPAC/Mossad, WWII, military industrial complex, propaganda, MSM compliance etc etc.

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PFC Billy's avatar

@Baz

Let's get down to first principals:

Using prejudices as a political tool, declaring those to be looted from as less than human to secure territory, power and money.

Only the names and the geography change, the rules of the game are eternal.

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thelonegunman's avatar

well, that's just part of the narrative: its always about the resources in the ground

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Baz's avatar
Mar 23Edited

Yes resource wars too, plenty more of those to come.

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Baz's avatar

I guess Nazis can spring up anywhere (and probably at any time😨) Yes born in England, he developed a strong affinity for German culture and became a German citizen.

Chamberlain’s most notable work, The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century (1899), promoted the superiority of the Aryan race and was influential in shaping anti-Semitic sentiments and Nazi ideology.

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PFC Billy's avatar

@Baz

"Nazis can spring up ANYWHERE"? Yes indeed-

My (2nd generation in USA, German descended) grandmother from Brooklyn NY was hanging out with the American Nazi Party back before WWII, my grandfather (who had been married to her since shortly after he got out of the US Navy after WWI) was APPALLED. Back when things like Nazi rallys at Madison Square garden were happening?

My mother (who was a young teen) was also appalled and reacted by hanging out with the NY socialists while my aunt (her much older sister) was kind of into the Nazis and was quite casually racist too, I read some of my (as a nice older lady "she wouldn't say shit if she had a mouth full of it") aunt's diaries from a few years before Pearl Harbor attack, there were casual references to "kikes", "niggers" and plenty of other words I never heard her use 30 years later when I was a kid visiting the NYC branches of our family!

Needless to say, as soon as Pearl Harbor was attacked, both of those ladies became rabidly "American ultra nationalists", still rigidly authoritarian- but their authorities now wore the red, white and blue.

Mom continued to hang with the NY City socialists into the late 1940s, getting thrown in jail for handing out pro unionization literature in company towns, registering "colored people" to vote where they were NOT wanted & such, before getting disillusioned about overt pro USSR communists in that scene and going her own way.

And that's how I ended up considering knee jerk hard left AND hard right attitudes to be symptoms of the same mental disorder.

America really needs to look HARD at where it has been before it goes there again.

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PFC Billy's avatar

@thelonegunman

My (2nd generation in USA, German descended) grandmother from Brooklyn NY was hanging out with the American Nazi Party back before WWII, my grandfather (who had been married to her since shortly after he got out of the US Navy after WWI) was APPALLED. Back when things like Nazi rallys at Madison Square garden were happening?

My mother (who was a young teen) was also appalled and reacted by hanging out with the NY socialists while my aunt (her much older sister) was kind of into the Nazis and was quite casually racist too, I read some of my (as a nice older lady "she wouldn't say shit if she had a mouth full of it") aunt's diaries from a few years before Pearl Harbor attack, there were casual references to "kikes", "niggers" and plenty of other words I never heard her use 30 years later when I was a kid visiting the NYC branches of our family!

Needless to say, as soon as Pearl Harbor was attacked, both of those ladies became rabidly "American ultra nationalists", still rigidly authoritarian- but her authorities now wire the red, white and blue.

Mom continued to hang with the NY City socialists into the late 1940s, getting thrown in jail for handing out pro unionization literature in company towns, registering "colored people" to vote where they were NOT wanted & such, before getting disillusioned about overt pro USSR communists in that scene and going her own way.

America really needs to look HARD at where it has been before it goes there again.

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