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Zaki 🇷🇸's avatar

The parallel between Ukraine and Croatia is also interesting, as the latter has likewise enacted laws that—under the label of "totalitarian ideologies"—lump communism and Nazism together, while at the same time, local forms of Nazi iconography are becoming increasingly visible in the public sphere.

ChatterX's avatar

Ppl often forget it wasn't just Germans.. there were Hungarians, Austrians, Romanians, Italian Expeditionary Corps, Finns, Croatian Ustashi, French SS "Charlemagne", Spanish "Blue Legion", Belgian, Dutch and Scandinavian Waffen, Norwegian SS "Viking", Ukrainian Bandera, and many more.

EU 1.0

Helen Nowlin's avatar

America First "party" was against interventionism to stop Hitler, not because they disagreed with what he was doing but, in fact, admired Hitler. Many countries had an equivalent, including within the Allies, such as Canada First. However, we have rarely seen such a methodical rise of the far right as we have seen recently, since Hitler.

ChatterX's avatar

Frank Zappa on Reagan admin and the threat of Fascist Theocracy in the United States, 1986:

substack.com/@thememoryhole/note/c-142238216

Malcolm MacPhail's avatar

Yes, during the dissolution of Yugoslavia, Croatian nationalists revived Ustasa leaders from WW2 as nationalist heroes. These people were responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews and Serbians. So many people were murdered at Jasenovac prison camp that some genocide scholars designate it as a seventh extermination camp after Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno and Majdanek. Similar movements in Baltic countries.

Feral Finster's avatar

Of course fo the Ukrainian regime and its sponsors in the west, history is of interest solely to the extent that it can be weaponized in the present.

What does anyone propose to do about it? The West is strong and therefore its lies are repeated as settled fact.

ChatterX's avatar

Exactly. That's what they do with all the conflicts, same with Iran.. they always try to portray it like a standalone "unprovoked" act, as if there's no history behind it..

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"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth."

- George Orwell

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How The British "Elite" Re-Wrote World History:

youtube.com/watch?v=kfqHMTBgOlM&t=635s

Gnuneo's avatar

“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

mary-lou's avatar

...and thus the remains of the founder of the fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists/OUN, Yehven Konovalets, who was assassinated in the Netherlands in 1938, were repatriated and re-interned in Kiev (18/08/2026), where Zelensky personally participated in the ceremony and delivered a speech glorifying Konovalets as a national hero [...] Konovalets’ reinterment, as part of the Ukrainian state’s campaign to create a “Ukrainian pantheon of national heroes,” occurred only four days after the district court in the city of Pervomaisk sentenced Bogdan Syrotiuk, the 27-year-old socialist leader of the Young Guard of Bolshevik-Leninists, to a 15-year prison term for “high treason”. The two events are directly linked..." - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/08/19/lhed-a19.html

JennyStokes's avatar

The West is dying because of its lies.

ChatterX's avatar

G. Carlin: America is one big lie and you are a fool for believing in it:

youtube.com/watch?v=YqdsNxS_fk8&t=153s

Feral Finster's avatar

I see no reason to believe this.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Then you are not looking. You are falling for U.S. propaganda as expressed through its corporate media. It is obvious to everyone, including us Americans.

Feral Finster's avatar

The breathy predictions of imminent collapse were already old, before I was a kitten.

JennyStokes's avatar

I am old too Feral.........IF you do not see this then I worry for you.

The west is over.

Feral Finster's avatar

So produce the data. Not wishful thinking, data.

Lewis's avatar

"We must rise up, with revolutionary fervor, and overthrow the oppressors through targeted violence!" /s

"Said the Fed."

Speak truth, present alternative visions, ask questions.

Sigh. When all is said and done, I remain a naive optimist.

Feral Finster's avatar

History is written by the winners.

Lewis's avatar

Man, if I had the answers, I'd be typing this from a yurt in Mongolia on an extended ramble.

I'm not going to change anything big in this world. I'm just an old man on the ground, looking at the world and shaking my head in befuddlement.

As the old Kris Kristofferson song went, though, "But I can't believe that no one wants to know."

So I read Kit Klarenberg's articles, and sometimes I comment on them, and I try to understand.

"It's a peaceful life."

JennyStokes's avatar

IN France where I have lived for 20 something years.......the French do not want to look at History.

When I first came to France from the US I felt I was free. Since then I have met hundreds of ill-informed people. Makes me wonder about French education.

My old friends do not speak to me anymore.. They know they are wrong but cannot admit this..........pomposity in Uk and in France it is hypocrisy!

Siniša Spajić - Синиша Спајић's avatar

In 2004, the CIA set out on its most brazen propaganda and nation building schemes.

Turn an entire nation into rabid neoNazis where literal Nazi figures of the past are revamped into Father of the Nation figures.

It took two generations, and the results are staggering.

The brainwashed zombie nation of zioNazi Ukraine has fed 2 million of its sons into the trash heap of history all so that venture capital could make a buck and Russia be tested, even if not defeated.

The Ukrainian oligarchs and wealthy who always despised their peasants and working class got filthy rich, EU and US defense contractors are making a fortune.. and the US and EU citizens are paying through their teeth for what is essentially BlackRock, Vanguard, StateStree to make a buck.

Every time I hear someone proclaim Slava Ukraini.. I cringe.

Guy Schell's avatar

Amen! And people still flying the Yellow and blue flag? 2.4 Mil gone! WTF.

ChatterX's avatar

In April 2004 Ukraine signed the law allowing free access of NATO troops on its territory. And in 2007 NATO base (Yavoriv Combat Training Center) already existed on the territory of Ukraine, even tho there was no formal membership. Russians don't care about formalities if one's trying to fool them. Bismarck's famous quote was right about that.

Lewis's avatar

In fall of 1999, I flew to Kiev. The woman I was dating was a Kazakhstan-born Russian working at the US Embassy Commercial Interests Section, and her boss was marrying a Ukrainian woman (who also worked at the US Embassy). She was invited, and I was her +1.

It was a fun trip, in a lot of ways. Kiev is lovely. (We called it Kiev, back then. I still do.)

But I've never forgotten. I needed a haircut, so my lady and I went out, and found a hair salon or barbershop. The Ukrainian women in the salon pretended they couldn't understand my lady. Ah, but they could understand my Russian just fine! (As proud as I can be of my Russian language skills, trust me, Liza Semenova's Russian was far beyond mine.)

It was one of my first encounters with rank, naked bigotry. I'm still unsettled by it, nearly 30 years later.

Feral Finster's avatar

Odd. I lived eight years in Ukraine. Pretty much everyone spoke Russian. In the office, we often had to write petitions or documents which had to be in Ukrainian, so "how do you say that in Ukrainian?" was a standard question. For that matter, once I had to explain the meanings of some fairly ordinary Ukrainian word (in Russian) to a Kiev0-based businessman and a representative of the Yuschenko regime. (I have many similar such stories.) I never actually set out to learn Ukrainian. Even in Lvov, I got by just fine speaking Russian.

I did meet one miserable woman at the post office who performatively refused to speak Russian, but the other girls at post office told me to just ignore her. "We all do!"

I remember she had very long straight black hair and no makeup which was itself pretty performative, by the standards of Ukrainian women. And yes, she acted miserable, all the time.

Lewis's avatar

Hey, that was just my experience---and it was only at this hair salon! I really enjoyed the rest of the trip. The dinner the night before the wedding was at some cossack styled dining hall, the wedding itself was lovely, and then there was a boat tour on the river, ending up on an island where they cooked shashlik. (And the bride's babushka had some killer, killer samogon.)

Feral Finster's avatar

No worries. I don't claim that my experience is universal.

Nanabukulu21's avatar

The UK is the ultimate gas lighter. The gran daughter of Ukranian butcher of Jews is the head of MI6. But she never knew about him???How does her own father be educated at oxford and cambridge, join the army. When his own father alledgedly dies and he has a georgian stepfather. All mere coincidence. Imagine what you have to do to be the head of MI6. And just like your grandfather. You hate the Russians and see them as the number 1 threat to world peace. ????

Diana van Eyk's avatar

The attempts to seize history's narrative by Ukraine and by Israel are horrible. I hope they don't work.

These past few years, I've discovered a lot of history that has been misrepresented and, of course, it always makes the west look good, despite all the atrocities it has committed.

ChatterX's avatar

Too many ppl still prefer to remain willfully ignorant of the fact that Zionism/Israel has always been an Anglo-American Imperialist colonial project

youtube.com/watch?v=IZjSVkkAjVk

youtube.com/watch?v=vEGVSvL6yQU

Diana van Eyk's avatar

Thanks for this excellent first film!

Even now, people are trying to rewrite history of what's going on now so it is palatable to future generations -- and sheds a positive light on the atrocities of Empire.

I haven't watched the second, but it looks really interesting too.

We're so indoctrinated! I wish we'd stop falling for these lies that cover up so much barbarity.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

You have failed to report on the story of Bogdan Syrotiuk, a young socialist in Ukraine who has been sentenced to 15 years in prison for writing articles for the World Socialist Web Site. The WSWS has published articles on Bogdan's case since he was first arrested two years ago. He is 27 years old with health problems and Ukraine's prisons are hellholes. Please join in the efforts to get him released.

Guy Schell's avatar

Nice work, Kit. I don't see daylight for current leaders in Ukraine. And I don't envision a peaceful co-existence after Russia takes majority control. One of their goals of de-nazifying Ukraine will be implemented but that will be an uphill battle of guerilla warfare that is going to be long, grueling, and bloody, with the general population bearing the brunt of it. The prohibition of free speech will only embitter the population even more. I blame the predatory capitalist of the transnational corporate class for most of this. A dwindling empire and its appendages getting in one more stab in before the US economy tanks.

ChatterX's avatar

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

-Henry (Heinz) Kissinger

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Ukraine learned that the hard way..

Malcolm MacPhail's avatar

Interesting that five to seven million brave Ukrainians fought in the Red Army during WW2 to defeat Nazism. Only tens of thousands belonged to the nationalist and collaborator organizations and who are the ancestors of today’s ideologues governing Ukraine.

ChatterX's avatar

Between May and June 1947 the British government secretly transported 8,000 Ukrainian Nazi SS soldiers to Britain and Canada.

youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo

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Many of them later migrated to Canada:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASPoFzmDteg

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One of them was recently given a standing ovation in Canadian Parliament:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vezCq5KcC5c

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASPoFzmDteg

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Canada admits letting in 2,000 Ukrainian SS troopers, 1997:

http://jweekly.com/1997/02/07/canada-admits-letting-in-2-000-ukrainian-ss-troopers/

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Ottawa advised against releasing names of Nazi war criminals:

http://theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-federal-ministers-advised-against-releasing-names-of-900-alleged-nazi/

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BTW Did you know that the reason Canadian government initially welcomed the Nazis after WW2 was to have them as "Strike-breakers" against the workers' Unions?

http://youtu.be/aTd8HovAG0I

Malcolm MacPhail's avatar

Makes sense given that Canada has the largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world. Can’t help thinking about Chrystia Freeland’s collaborator grandfather.

Feral Finster's avatar

The "Canadian nationalist" used to be a stock figure in Ukrainian humor.

As it is, Ukrainian descendants of SS troopers play a similar role in Canadian politics as Miami Cubans do in US politics.

ChatterX's avatar

They're called "Comprador bourgeoisie".

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Fun fact: Rubio's family escaped from Cuban dictator and murican puppet Batista (NOT Castro):

substack.com/@kuroscharney/note/c-216724884

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Lil Narco's family fled Cuba in 1956, three years before Castro overthrew the Batista regime. They fled Capitalist Cuba. Corrupt Capitalist Cuba, ruled in part by American Mafia, that oppressed the working class, of which Rubio's family were a part. So why the hell is Lil Narco so anti-socialist?

Rubio's brother-in-law, Orlando Cicilia, was convicted in 1989 of distributing approximately $15 million worth of cocaine and served nearly 12 years in federal prison. Cicilia is married to Rubio's older sister, Barbara. Lil Narco worked in a pet store that was a front for a million dollar cocaine ring run by his family

The best murican "democracy" has to offer..

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"Garbage IN, garbage OUT"

- George Carlin

youtube.com/shorts/qBwfSmUrJ04

Feral Finster's avatar

I lived eight years in Ukraine. Nationalism then was seen as strictly for freaks and losers.

Since that time, literally millions of Ukrainians were perfectly happy to make war on on their relatives and own grandparents, when it was made clear that adopting the nationalist agenda was the price of admission to The Club.

werner hillinger's avatar

Oh my god! Where do these numbers come from? Think about a very unknown fact: the civil war in Galicia ended with Stalin's death. Khrushchev used his political power to settle the conflict. Until the mid-1950s (!!!), the OUN fighters could move freely (like fish in the water) through the area. Or, if your numbers are correct, only tens of thousands of collaborators and nationalists moved/lived/worked/fought in the middle of millions of Soviet supporter - not very realistic, especially when you see the problems of the Red Army. I do not even mention Vlasov.

ChatterX's avatar

CIA-Ukraine project "Aerodynamic", started after WW2:

cryptome.org/2016/01/cia-ua-aerodynamic.pdf

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Bandera's MI6 Alliance Exposed:

substack.com/home/post/p-159633379

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MI6 Support For Nazi 'Forest Brothers':

substack.com/home/post/p-175872983

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BTW After WW2 British government welcomed thousands of Ukrainian (Galicien) SS OUN/B members:

youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo

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"If two neighbors are fighting today, it means an Englishman visited one of them yesterday"

- Indian folk saying

Digger B!'s avatar

There is a hugely important factor which is completely ignored by those who want to demonise Russia for the Holodomor. From 1925 onwards, it was clear from Mein Kampf that Hitler intended to ethnically cleanse Ukraine and the Western half of the Soviet Union. The only way the Soviets could defend themselves was by a program of rapid industrialisation. In 1931, Joseph Stalin explicitly warned: "We are 50 to 100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us."

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In 1929, the Federal Reserve cartel withdrew 34% of the dollars in circulation, leaving people with no money to purchase goods or invest in business. This caused the Wall Street Crash, and the subsequent Great Depression allowed the bankers to buy up vast amounts of German industry at bankruptcy sale prices. At the same time as the bankers were driving Hitler's rise to power and war effort, the Western powers stopped selling anything to the Soviet Union which wasn't paid for with grain! This machination left Stalin in an almost impossible position, whereby he had to choose between:-

●   Doing nothing to prepare for the invasion Hitler warned about in Mein Kampf; or

●   Giving away valuable grain, and be criticised for making the "Holodomor" worse.

For a couple of years Stalin prioritized industrialisation over famine relief. Although this contributed to the tragic death of millions of Soviets (including Russians, Ukrainians and Kazakhs), it ultimately enabled the Soviet Union to survive and defeat Nazi Germany...

As an interesting aside, Mi6 and the OSS / CIA have been engineering a proxy war between Ukraine and Russia since WWII. In 1957 the CIA commissioned extensive studies into how U.S. Special Forces might be used to ignite this war. The conclusion reached was that there was no real hatred of Russia or the Soviet authorities outside the Nazi groups the West was already supporting. This suggests that the only Ukrainians who might have hated Moscow for the Holodomor weren't living in the USSR when it happened!

ChatterX's avatar

Erich Koch, Nazi Reichskommissar (Gauleiter) in Ukraine from September 1941 until August 1944:

"I will draw the very last out of this country (Ukraine). I did not come to spread bliss. I have come to help the Führer The population must work, work, and work again.. for some people are getting excited that the population may not get enough to eat. The population cannot demand that. One has only to remember what our heroes were deprived of in Stalingrad . . . . We definitely did not come here to give out manna. We have come here to create the basis for victory."

"What happens to the Russians, to the Czechs, does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer in the way of good blood of our type we will take, if necessary, by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us. Whether the other nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only insofar as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch or not interests me only insofar as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished."

"We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here."

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phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/works/imt/imtnew/03/htm/t406.htm

Tim Owen's avatar

I remember reading Arendt in my teens and thinking it made sense, the narrative of closed (autocratic) vs. good, open western societies. Then Lucy pulled the football away.

Feel like an utter putz.

Jeffrey S. Kaye's avatar

Great article, Kit! The lies around the so-called Holodomor are especially disturbing as they mask the fact that that during the Cold War, Ukrainian nationalists, including the Banderites, were in an alliance with US intelligence & military agencies at **exactly the same time** those agencies were plotting to destroy Soviet Ukraine with US-designed biological germ bombs meant to spread anti-crop diseases far and wide and starve millions. See my article, "CIA-Pentagon Top Secret Plans for Germ War to Destroy Crops in Ukraine & Russia" - https://kayej.substack.com/p/cia-pentagon-top-secret-plans-for

Additionally, US historian Mark Tauger continues to do important work documenting what really happened during the Ukraine-Russia famines of the early 1930s. His conclusions about environmental factors, including a vast infestation by plant rusts at that time, are consistent with the findings of a secret CIA study on the issue in the early 1950s, as I documented in my article linked above.

See Professor Tauger's latest article on the subject, "Counter-Reply to Naumenko on the Soviet Famine in Ukraine in 1933" - https://econjwatch.org/file_download/1307/TaugerMar2024.pdf?mimetype=pdf

Shona Duncan's avatar

The symbol of the OUN is the same as the Ukrainian Crest, is the same as the Khazarian Tamga, is the same as the Moloch Sigil. (I'll send you a screenshot on X)

"Members of the OUN took an active part in the Holocaust in Ukraine and Poland."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

German occupied Poland was where all the extermination camps were situated.

and

Zelensky quietly deletes photo of his bodyguard’s pro-Hitler patch. (20th September 2022). MR Online.

The “Skeleton Key” ... a clear reference to SS Division Leibstandarte, Adolf Hitler’s personal bodyguard unit was made by a Ukrainian company called R3ICH

https://mronline.org/2022/09/20/zelensky-quietly-deletes-photo-of-his-bodyguards-pro-hitler-patch/

and

I have articles linking Ukraine to Nazism, but not from Google. I had to use the Bing search engine.

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You know how Germany is funding the war in Ukraine?

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers (10th September 2014).

Ukraine soldiers wore combat helmets with SS insignia and swastikas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961

They're baaAaack

Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

Fascist freaks always end up eating their own babies

Christopher Cruz's avatar

Thanks for this very informative piece you written. Pity for the Ukranian there society and way of life are being rewired and reset not for their benefit.